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steven barten is joining me now to talk about this. he was one of 58 people wounded in the aurora shooting, shot in the face and the neck. steven, good morning to you. first of all, let me ask how you're feeling. >> i'm feeling just fine. my recovery's gone remarkably well. >> well, that is certainly good news to hear. you were one of the lucky ones. what would you liked to have seen wednesday night at the first presidential debate in terms of the discussions about guns. >> i mean really any specific discussion or reference to the issue would have been great. ideally i would have loved both candidates to talk about whether they support having a background check. that's a huge issue and it would have been great to see, that especially in an auditorium ten miles from a theater where i was shot and so many others were shot. >> this certainly could come up at a later debate, which we'll discuss more about social issues but you told one of our reporters that skipping gun lays in the debate showed a lack of respect. >> i think they owed it t
steven barten is joining me now to talk about this. he was one of 58 people wounded in the aurora shooting, shot in the face and the neck. steven, good morning to you. first of all, let me ask how you're feeling. >> i'm feeling just fine. my recovery's gone remarkably well. >> well, that is certainly good news to hear. you were one of the lucky ones. what would you liked to have seen wednesday night at the first presidential debate in terms of the discussions about guns. >> i...
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ambassador christopher stevens and three others. the whistle-blower in the case against jerry sandusky, suing the university for million, claiming that the university's handling of the case caused him distress and embarrassment. he maintains that he told the school he witnessed sandusky abusing a boy in 2001. sandoveningy was convicted on 45 counts of sexual abuse. i'm ainsley earhardt. now back to "on the record" with greta. has debate advice for governor mitt romney. we spoke with donald trump earlier. nice to talk to you. >> hi, greta. >> greta: all right. i read your twitter account all the time, apparently, you have lots of followers -- >> lots. >> greta: lots indeed. one of your recent tweets is, if president obama mentions governor mitt romney's tax returns in tomorrow's debate, then governor romney should ask for president obama's college records and applications. you really think he should do ha? >> absolutely. i don't know that he will. i hope he does. maybe one of the mod raters will do t. it's a question that she we shou
ambassador christopher stevens and three others. the whistle-blower in the case against jerry sandusky, suing the university for million, claiming that the university's handling of the case caused him distress and embarrassment. he maintains that he told the school he witnessed sandusky abusing a boy in 2001. sandoveningy was convicted on 45 counts of sexual abuse. i'm ainsley earhardt. now back to "on the record" with greta. has debate advice for governor mitt romney. we spoke with...
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attorney steven taylor who says they say they want to help but universities won't admit it. both guests have actually filed briefs on this fisher-u.t. case. mr. taylor, you first. what will be ms. fisher's arguments since she was on the 10% requirement that would have granted her admission based on her accomplishments. >> her argument is university of texas are violating principles the supreme court laid down in its last affirmative cases in 2003. in particular, universities said they could use race but they could not engage in racial balancing which means they could not seek proportional representation of the population. university of texas overtly does that. the court said you have to phase out racial preferences within 25 years. nine of those years are gone, and it's quite clear, in part because of the slowness of working towards racial proportionality and what they call critical mass of every minority in every classroom, it's quite clear that the university of texas is on a trajectory that would extend racial preferences for many, many decades, and that clearly violates
attorney steven taylor who says they say they want to help but universities won't admit it. both guests have actually filed briefs on this fisher-u.t. case. mr. taylor, you first. what will be ms. fisher's arguments since she was on the 10% requirement that would have granted her admission based on her accomplishments. >> her argument is university of texas are violating principles the supreme court laid down in its last affirmative cases in 2003. in particular, universities said they...
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. >> we're joined now by steven moore, a writer for "the wall street journal" and also founder of the club for growth. thank you for coming in, do you agree? that this is solid data? >> i would not go that far, but do i agree. it's indicative of a kind of slow-growth economy. i think that republicans still should make jobs issue number one in this campaign because even with a decent number, and by the way, this does probably take away a soundbyte for the republicans, but it's been three and a half years since we have had a a rate under 8%, but it's still a lousy job market for people out there looking. and what we call the broad unemployment rate, that includes people who can't find a full-time job, that's 14.6% or 23 million workers. >> in terms of cooking the books, jack welsh, the former g.e. ceo. saying it's too politically convenient. you can say to them what? >> i don't think there is a conspiracy here. i think it's almost certain there isn't. but what jumped out at people, wolf, in these numbers, is there are two surveys they do. one of businesses and one of households, and the
. >> we're joined now by steven moore, a writer for "the wall street journal" and also founder of the club for growth. thank you for coming in, do you agree? that this is solid data? >> i would not go that far, but do i agree. it's indicative of a kind of slow-growth economy. i think that republicans still should make jobs issue number one in this campaign because even with a decent number, and by the way, this does probably take away a soundbyte for the republicans, but...
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watched mitt romney over the years, and he has steadily improved, and, you know, people like stuart stevens and beth myers took a lot of heat over the last couple months about the campaign, but those -- i have worked with stuart before in many campaigns, and he's a debate preparation fanatic, and they understood that this would be an opportunity to shift the gears, to reframe the race, and one guy showed up and one guy prepared, and it showed. it really did. you know, a lot of people were saying it's the best since reagan. reagan had some natural gifts and was an affable guy. i think in terms of preparation, this may be one of the best presidential debate performances ever. >> i agree. in a totally amoral, apolitical sense, i agree with you. steve, what do you think happened to obama? >> i think he prepared and showed up for a news conference, not a debate. he answered the questions -- >> but there weren't any questions. lehrer didn't see it as his role -- >> we can talk about lehrer separately. i think what they were trying to accomplish is their view was the mitt romney campaign wasn't go
watched mitt romney over the years, and he has steadily improved, and, you know, people like stuart stevens and beth myers took a lot of heat over the last couple months about the campaign, but those -- i have worked with stuart before in many campaigns, and he's a debate preparation fanatic, and they understood that this would be an opportunity to shift the gears, to reframe the race, and one guy showed up and one guy prepared, and it showed. it really did. you know, a lot of people were...
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oversight and government reform committee will hold a meeting to talk about what killed ambassador chris stevens. the timing is interesting because congress is out of town. congressm >>. >> mitt romney said he would not overturn president obama's executive order that granted temporary work permits for dreamers, children brought to the u.s. by illegal immigrants. this isn't the only area where the candidates agree on immigration. richard lui is here with where they stand. >> are the candidates the same or different on immigration? "no real differences between presidential candidates on immigration." "obama versus romney, 101, five ways they differ on immigration." president obama's deferred action plan for immigrants in the u.s. illegally or without authorization. today governor romney says he would continue it. 1.7 million unauthorized immigrants under 31 could benefit from this potentially staying two years with work authorization, as well. that is a lighter version of the dream act which would give permanent residency. the president stalled the president's effort in 2010. romney saying he woul
oversight and government reform committee will hold a meeting to talk about what killed ambassador chris stevens. the timing is interesting because congress is out of town. congressm >>. >> mitt romney said he would not overturn president obama's executive order that granted temporary work permits for dreamers, children brought to the u.s. by illegal immigrants. this isn't the only area where the candidates agree on immigration. richard lui is here with where they stand. >>...
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the posting directed a threat against stevens. issa says stevens stopped his morning runs for about a week and then resumed them. in june, an ied was successfully placed at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, blowing a hole in the security perimeter gate, big enough for 40 people to go through. and in the weeks before the september 11th attacks, unarmed libyan guards working at the consulate were warned by family members to quit their jobs, because of, quote, rumors in the community of an impending attack. those are just a few of the 13 things that darrell issa listed. and he also included this major allegation. according to issa, multiple u.s. federal government officials have confirmed to the committee that prior to the september 11th attacks, the u.s. mission in libya made repeated requests for increased security in benghazi. the mission in libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in washington. the state department has responded to darrell issa's letter. here is spokeswoman victoria nuland. we are now working throug
the posting directed a threat against stevens. issa says stevens stopped his morning runs for about a week and then resumed them. in june, an ied was successfully placed at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, blowing a hole in the security perimeter gate, big enough for 40 people to go through. and in the weeks before the september 11th attacks, unarmed libyan guards working at the consulate were warned by family members to quit their jobs, because of, quote, rumors in the community of an impending...
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there was an attack as you know on the american embassy in benghazi, lib, the ambassador christopher stevens was murdered. do you condemn the attacking which caused his murder? >> translator: fundamentally, first of all, any action that is provocative offends the religious thoughts and feelings of any people we condemn. likewi likewise, we condemn any type of extremism. of course, what took place was ugly, offending the holy prophet is quite ugly. this has very little or nothing to do with freedom and freedom of speech. this is the weakness and the abuse of freedom. and in many places it is a crime. it shouldn't take place, and i do hope that they will come in which politicians will not seek to offend those whom otherses hold holy or stainwith sanctiti. but we also believe that this must also be resolved in a humane atmosphere, in a participate o'environmeaer envi we do not like anybody losing their lives or being killed in wri. >> there are protesters all over the middle east now threatening the staff of american embassies, tlentding to kill them, behead them. do you think they should stop?
there was an attack as you know on the american embassy in benghazi, lib, the ambassador christopher stevens was murdered. do you condemn the attacking which caused his murder? >> translator: fundamentally, first of all, any action that is provocative offends the religious thoughts and feelings of any people we condemn. likewi likewise, we condemn any type of extremism. of course, what took place was ugly, offending the holy prophet is quite ugly. this has very little or nothing to do...
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we know that ambassador chris christopher stevens was in fear. he wrote that he was on an al-qaeda hit list. christopher stevens believed in america and believed he could make a difference are. he upheld his part of the bargain, the obama administration, hillary clinton in particular did not. now, the house oversight and government reform committee will commence an investigation wednesday on the failure of security at our consulate in benghazi. pennsylvania congressman pat meehan sits on the homeland security and oversight government reform committee and joins us from philadelphia. good evening, congressman. >> good evening, judge. nice to be with you. >> judge jeanine: nice to have you with us tonight. one of the issues the committee he is going to be looking into are the reports that as many as 60 prior violent assaults may have preceded this actual property attack in benghazi. could you tell us anything about this? >> judge, of course, you know from your experience one of the things is when you have whistle blowers who are are insiders that br
we know that ambassador chris christopher stevens was in fear. he wrote that he was on an al-qaeda hit list. christopher stevens believed in america and believed he could make a difference are. he upheld his part of the bargain, the obama administration, hillary clinton in particular did not. now, the house oversight and government reform committee will commence an investigation wednesday on the failure of security at our consulate in benghazi. pennsylvania congressman pat meehan sits on the...
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how-- as steven hawking said, they're equations. how does an equation inform the abyss that it's somehow pregnant with beings? what breathes fire and makes those universes? >> stephen: are you a poet? this is beautiful. (applause) you might be the first guest whose book i read. (laughter) for me answer is god. okay? god said let it be so and so the world was so. i find that very comforting. and i find that very freeing because i-- my questioning stops right there. but your questioning continues. do you not find this questioning that goes on in your mind like just-- like a hot match that's been dropped between the two lobes of your brain and just sit there is and it fizzles and pops and burns and keeps you up at night? >> yeah, yeah. >> stephen: put it out! put that match out with the quenching water of faith! (laughter) >> okay, okay. god may exist, may not exist. >> stephen: he does go. ahead. (laughter) >> it could be part of the problem. >> stephen: part of the problem? >> part of the problem. why does god exist? god is eternal--
how-- as steven hawking said, they're equations. how does an equation inform the abyss that it's somehow pregnant with beings? what breathes fire and makes those universes? >> stephen: are you a poet? this is beautiful. (applause) you might be the first guest whose book i read. (laughter) for me answer is god. okay? god said let it be so and so the world was so. i find that very comforting. and i find that very freeing because i-- my questioning stops right there. but your questioning...
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department of energy steven chu will be better remembered because of the solyndra debacle in winning the nobel prize in physics. and to plot -- janet napolitano one of my favorites. to be remembered to forget who she is and what she does? it is easier we don't get into it. she is making a mess out of things. don't worry. it is just a homeland. shaun donovan that is all we have to say. department of veterans affairs shinseki and we don't know what he looks like, and i do know what he looks like actually. the best reason not to know he works that hard for our veterans think you mr. secretary. 15 secretaries president obama has met with all of them. are you ready? twice. and the last nine months. and obama is hard at work golfing and campaigning to do it again. having weekly meetings with bala read jarret and political of pfizer's who are protected by a executive privilege is inspiring. what can you expect from a man who ever managed anything and his wife until he was elected the biggest management position in the world? only in america. one name not year, teetwo to keep his mishaps and
department of energy steven chu will be better remembered because of the solyndra debacle in winning the nobel prize in physics. and to plot -- janet napolitano one of my favorites. to be remembered to forget who she is and what she does? it is easier we don't get into it. she is making a mess out of things. don't worry. it is just a homeland. shaun donovan that is all we have to say. department of veterans affairs shinseki and we don't know what he looks like, and i do know what he looks like...
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they will look at security and how four americans, including ambassador chris stevens, were killed in an attack on the anniversary of september 11. american airlines discovers why some of its seats came loose. u.s. soldiers are on the lookout for afghan allies who may be enemies. and why half of the great barrier reef has vanished. when the "cbs evening news" continues. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. thanks. [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh w
they will look at security and how four americans, including ambassador chris stevens, were killed in an attack on the anniversary of september 11. american airlines discovers why some of its seats came loose. u.s. soldiers are on the lookout for afghan allies who may be enemies. and why half of the great barrier reef has vanished. when the "cbs evening news" continues. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in...
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. >>> today the family of the late chris stevens announced a special memorial service for the u.s. ambassador killed in libya last month. it will take place at san francisco's city hall on october 16th. the family has invited a list of dignitaries, including former secretary of state george shultz and senator dianne feinstein. stevens went to piedmont high school and on to uc berkeley for college and uc hastings in san francisco for law school. the public is also invited to the service. but the city hall rotunda only holds about 700 people. stevens was 52 years old. >>> the san francisco bay is once again filled with the best sailors in the world as the america's cup series is back. that's where we find nbc bay area's laurence scott who is once again an honorary skipper. >> we are on the bay with team korea, victorious today in the america's cup series match racing qualifiers. the youngest skipper by far in the world series competitions here on the bay this weekend. tell me something. what a thrill, not just competing in your first race, but winning your first race. how did it go?
. >>> today the family of the late chris stevens announced a special memorial service for the u.s. ambassador killed in libya last month. it will take place at san francisco's city hall on october 16th. the family has invited a list of dignitaries, including former secretary of state george shultz and senator dianne feinstein. stevens went to piedmont high school and on to uc berkeley for college and uc hastings in san francisco for law school. the public is also invited to the...
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one is the ongoing situation regarding the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed, afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> well, let me tell you what's not vague, and that is five days after, five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador to the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration because of a hateful video. that's probably one of the worst things that i have ever observed in my life, and obviously, there were warnings and obviously anybody who believes that an attack with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades and a very sophisticated attack is the result of a video, i mean, it's just ridiculous. and finally, piers, it's not the video that's stoking these demonstrations. as you know, it's the radical islamists that are using the videos as a means of inflaming passion in the middle east and i'll be damned if i'm ready to abandon the
one is the ongoing situation regarding the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed, afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> well, let me tell you what's not vague, and that is five days after, five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador to the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that...
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. >> clearly, the president went to the ceremony, for ambassador stevens and met with the family. i think this is republican conspiracy. there is... if you give the media the 47% statement, if you give the media clint eastwood, if you have offshore accounts, guess what? they'll write about it. >> the real unemployment, they'd have that, not more monism. >> they know about the economy and confidence in the economy and the president's ability in the economy has been surging. >> the media... >> chris: we will not focus on media bias any longer, we'll talk about issues and take a break here and when we come back... the terror attack that killed four americans in libya. there are growing questions about what the president knew and when he knew it. ♪ while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous
. >> clearly, the president went to the ceremony, for ambassador stevens and met with the family. i think this is republican conspiracy. there is... if you give the media the 47% statement, if you give the media clint eastwood, if you have offshore accounts, guess what? they'll write about it. >> the real unemployment, they'd have that, not more monism. >> they know about the economy and confidence in the economy and the president's ability in the economy has been surging....
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down their mission, their consulate or whatever, the mission was in benghazi, we understand that chris stevens wanted to be there, had a connection to benghazi, had been there during the war. but was he adequately secured and what about the nurfailures intelligence. >> they knew libya was not going to calm down overnight and have multiparty elections and a normal place overnight. they had to look at the tactical issues there and it seemed there were a lot of problems with militias running around not integrated into any police force let alone the national army. there were issues they needed to look at. on the other hand you're trying to manage that risk with the need to get out, talk to the libyan people, make sure they understand that we care, that we didn't just lose interest once gadhafi left the scene. i think it is -- it was very important to get out there, but, you know, i think the accountability review board is going to look at that very crucial question how well did they manage the risk? you cannot eliminate the risk. this is what diplomats do. we are out there, many of these circumsta
down their mission, their consulate or whatever, the mission was in benghazi, we understand that chris stevens wanted to be there, had a connection to benghazi, had been there during the war. but was he adequately secured and what about the nurfailures intelligence. >> they knew libya was not going to calm down overnight and have multiparty elections and a normal place overnight. they had to look at the tactical issues there and it seemed there were a lot of problems with militias running...
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. >>> we have the situation of the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> what is not vague, and that is five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration because of a hateful video. that's probably one of the worst things that i have ever observed in my life, and obviously there were warnings, and obviously anybody who believes in an attack with mortars and rocket hi rocket-propelled grenades, a very sophisticated attack, is the result of a video is just ridiculous. it's not the video that's stokingdemonstrations, it's the iraqis who are using these videos, and i'll be damned if i'm going to vacate the freedom of speech because of muhammad. >> are you in favor of her resigning? >> no, she was shooting the messenger. she was told to do that. i b
. >>> we have the situation of the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> what is not vague, and that is five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration...
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ambassador told fox news's megyn kelly, the contents of the stevens journal may show a failing in the overall approach to the region. >> i'm sure that if he believed that security was a problem, he would have informed the state department's diplomatic security bureau and would have made a threat assessment and taken the necessary steps. the fact that he and three other americans by definition shows there's a massive failure of curt. at first cnn cited an individual with stevens' thinking and anderson cooper revealed the existence of the journal. aaccusing cnn of lacking humanity, assurances that the network reportedly gave to the stevens family to return the journal promptly and not report on details. cnn executives dispute that. and enter michael hastings from buzz feed.com best known having written a story for rolling stone a few years back that resulted in the rest ignace of general stanley mcchrystal. and wrote, why didn't the state department search the consulate and find ambassador's diary first, whatever valuable intelligence was left behind, could have been found by anybody se
ambassador told fox news's megyn kelly, the contents of the stevens journal may show a failing in the overall approach to the region. >> i'm sure that if he believed that security was a problem, he would have informed the state department's diplomatic security bureau and would have made a threat assessment and taken the necessary steps. the fact that he and three other americans by definition shows there's a massive failure of curt. at first cnn cited an individual with stevens' thinking...
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new evidence shows that ambassador stevens was concerned about the escalating violence in benghazi. why did the state department, new information, new emails turn up, that show that they turned down his request for security support? why? what is going to be done about it? it? straight ahead. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save yoby switching, you'd have like, a ton of dollars. but how are they saving you those dollars? a lot of companies might answer "um" or, "no comment." then there's esurance. born online, raised by technology, and majors in efficiency. so whatever they save, you save. hassle, time, paperwork, hair-tearing-out, and yes, especially dollars. esurance. insurance for the modern world. click or call. aah! learning how to kick flip 6 stairs takes determination. so will getting into college. i've got what it takes. so do you. >> sean: the first round of post-debate polls are out and there are chomps in very important swing states, in virmg virk, recommendny leads 49-48. florida, governor romney is ahead of the
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